Comments on: Revenge of the <T> http://madbean.com/2005/mb2004-30/ Your zero step program Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:15:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: 123Scottyb http://madbean.com/2005/mb2004-30/#comment-134647 123Scottyb Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:53:46 +0000 http://madbean.com/blog/2004-30#comment-134647 <p>Great stuff well funny... generics is the way</p> Great stuff well funny… generics is the way

]]> By: Bill R http://madbean.com/2005/mb2004-30/#comment-420 Bill R Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:56:15 +0000 http://madbean.com/blog/2004-30#comment-420 <p>With all the frameworks etc. I think Java stopped being a simple language a long time ago. Relatively speaking, I think C/C++ are a lot more simple: a smaller (in relation to Java) set of core API's that you can extrapolate from.</p> With all the frameworks etc. I think Java stopped being a simple language a long time ago. Relatively speaking, I think C/C++ are a lot more simple: a smaller (in relation to Java) set of core API’s that you can extrapolate from.

]]> By: Notany http://madbean.com/2005/mb2004-30/#comment-295 Notany Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:49:39 +0000 http://madbean.com/blog/2004-30#comment-295 <p>Ah generics. Guy Steeles way around lack of generics. Bad Guy, bad. <code> And you're right: we were not out to win over the Lisp programmers; we were after the C++ programmers. We managed to drag a lot of them about halfway to Lisp. Aren't you happy? --Guy Steele - Sun Microsystems Labs (about Java) </code> http://www.ai.mit.edu/~gregs/ll1-discuss-archive-html/msg04045.html</p> <p>Steele and co. have dragged C++ programmers close to Smalltalk. Now starts the hard road to high-level. <code> "I believe that Java will NOT be the last language. The next language to be a "killer-language" will NOT be an OO language but rather a higher-level functional or constraint-based language." -- Bill Joy, JavaOne 1998. </code> Generics, IMHO, is attempt to bring power and sophistication into wrong language. The primary strength of Java is it's simplicity. If you take simplicity away, you have sorry ass badly done replicate for Smalltalk. <code> Java was, as Gosling says in the first Java white paper, designed for average programmers. It's a perfectly legitimate goal to design a language for average programmers. (Or for that matter for small children, like Logo.) But is is also a legitimate, and very different, goal to design a language for good programmers. -- PG </code></p> Ah generics. Guy Steeles way around lack of generics. Bad Guy, bad.

And you're right: we were not out to win over the Lisp programmers;
we were after the C++ programmers. We managed to drag a lot of them
about halfway to Lisp. Aren't you happy?
--Guy Steele - Sun Microsystems Labs (about Java)

http://www.ai.mit.edu/~gregs/ll1-discuss-archive-html/msg04045.html

Steele and co. have dragged C++ programmers close to Smalltalk. Now starts the hard road to high-level.

"I believe that Java will NOT be the last language.
The next language to be a "killer-language" will NOT
be an OO language but rather a higher-level functional or
constraint-based language."
-- Bill Joy, JavaOne 1998.

Generics, IMHO, is attempt to bring power and sophistication into wrong language. The primary strength of Java is it’s simplicity. If you take simplicity away, you have sorry ass badly done replicate for Smalltalk.

Java was, as Gosling says in the first Java white paper,
designed for average programmers. It's a perfectly
legitimate goal to design a language for average
programmers. (Or for that matter for small children, like
Logo.) But is is also a legitimate, and very different, goal
to design a language for good programmers.
-- PG

]]> By: MaryMaryQuiteContrary http://madbean.com/2005/mb2004-30/#comment-294 MaryMaryQuiteContrary Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:21:18 +0000 http://madbean.com/blog/2004-30#comment-294 <p>I know absolutely nothing about Generics, yet i was completely captivated by this extraordinary piece. Bravo!</p> I know absolutely nothing about Generics, yet i was completely captivated by this extraordinary piece. Bravo!

]]> By: MaryMaryQuiteContrary http://madbean.com/2005/mb2004-30/#comment-293 MaryMaryQuiteContrary Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:20:21 +0000 http://madbean.com/blog/2004-30#comment-293 <p>I jbi</p> I jbi

]]> By: lm http://madbean.com/2005/mb2004-30/#comment-292 lm Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:20:38 +0000 http://madbean.com/blog/2004-30#comment-292 <p>Great! Too fun!! :D Anyway "generics rock" is a 1% of truth, used outside collections problems may lead to "<boh>" creazyness! ;)</p> Great! Too fun!! :D
Anyway "generics rock" is a 1% of truth, used outside collections problems may lead to "<boh>" creazyness! ;)

]]> By: Rob http://madbean.com/2005/mb2004-30/#comment-291 Rob Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:02:47 +0000 http://madbean.com/blog/2004-30#comment-291 <p>Very funny, but Generics Rock! Autoboxing on the other hand is fine, but I could have lived without it. I love Generics because they prevent me from having to write wrapper classes around collections to ensure that only the type of data I want to store is stored in my collections.</p> Very funny, but Generics Rock! Autoboxing on the other hand is fine, but I could have lived without it. I love Generics because they prevent me from having to write wrapper classes around collections to ensure that only the type of data I want to store is stored in my collections.

]]> By: CeeCee http://madbean.com/2005/mb2004-30/#comment-290 CeeCee Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:06:24 +0000 http://madbean.com/blog/2004-30#comment-290 <p>Dude, that's not how you're supposed to spend your Xmas break :-P Nonetheless, awesome job! Now, tell us how you really feel about Generics :-P</p> Dude, that’s not how you’re supposed to spend your Xmas break :-P Nonetheless, awesome job! Now, tell us how you really feel about Generics :-P

]]> By: Alan Green http://madbean.com/2005/mb2004-30/#comment-289 Alan Green Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:31:08 +0000 http://madbean.com/blog/2004-30#comment-289 <p>Can't wait to see trailer for Walt Disney's "The Emperor's New Groovy"</p> Can’t wait to see trailer for Walt Disney’s "The Emperor’s New Groovy"

]]> By: greyrat http://madbean.com/2005/mb2004-30/#comment-288 greyrat Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:13:15 +0000 http://madbean.com/blog/2004-30#comment-288 <p>R - O - F - L - O - L ! U teh r0x0rs d00d!!1!</p> R - O - F - L - O - L ! U teh r0×0rs d00d!!1!

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