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		<title>By: Karthik</title>
		<link>http://madbean.com/2003/mb2003-52/#comment-184563</link>
		<dc:creator>Karthik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi folks. I'm  a Sun Certified java Programmer and a Sun Certified Web component Developer. Both these certifications have not gained me anything in my corporate life in terms of bonus or promotions (Honestly they were a part of my goal sheet). Getting them without going through only dump  or questions papers does certainly increase your knowledge in the field. You do really get to know the intricate details and it does help in programming. But on the flip side, certifications alone does not help. You also have to know open source frameworks like Spring, Hibernate and other frameworks which are used in any web based development. As Bill suggested, getting Certifications alone will lead you to be in your  own little technology backwater...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi folks. I&#8217;m  a Sun Certified java Programmer and a Sun Certified Web component Developer. Both these certifications have not gained me anything in my corporate life in terms of bonus or promotions (Honestly they were a part of my goal sheet). Getting them without going through only dump  or questions papers does certainly increase your knowledge in the field. You do really get to know the intricate details and it does help in programming. But on the flip side, certifications alone does not help. You also have to know open source frameworks like Spring, Hibernate and other frameworks which are used in any web based development. As Bill suggested, getting Certifications alone will lead you to be in your  own little technology backwater&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Saurabh Chaubey</title>
		<link>http://madbean.com/2003/mb2003-52/#comment-135485</link>
		<dc:creator>Saurabh Chaubey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In My opinion the perception that certifications especially the sun certifications help people to find nice jobs is not totally correct. As getting 
Sun Certifications with a score above 85 % doesn't only just put a lable on that person but it also helps him gain the knowledge of things (API's) of
which he didn't even had any idea so far in his IT career. So if a company picks up a certified guy than it doesn't  mean that he got through only 
because he was certified but also because he is tested very deeply in his knowledge which he gained while preparing for the certification. 
After giving a few sun java certifications, i feel that the way one implements the solution to a given problem is more optimized and more 
importantly instead of re-writing a  logic  in our own manner, a sun certified professional knows better if that logic has already been implemented by
sun in any of its API's.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In My opinion the perception that certifications especially the sun certifications help people to find nice jobs is not totally correct. As getting<br />
Sun Certifications with a score above 85 % doesn&#8217;t only just put a lable on that person but it also helps him gain the knowledge of things (API&#8217;s) of<br />
which he didn&#8217;t even had any idea so far in his IT career. So if a company picks up a certified guy than it doesn&#8217;t  mean that he got through only<br />
because he was certified but also because he is tested very deeply in his knowledge which he gained while preparing for the certification.<br />
After giving a few sun java certifications, i feel that the way one implements the solution to a given problem is more optimized and more<br />
importantly instead of re-writing a  logic  in our own manner, a sun certified professional knows better if that logic has already been implemented by<br />
sun in any of its API&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Dhruva</title>
		<link>http://madbean.com/2003/mb2003-52/#comment-124752</link>
		<dc:creator>Dhruva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;certifications are very necessary... as one who doesnt get certified can write a program very well.... but that person won't ever understand or xplain to others how that program behaves...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;getting certified is the main benefit for getting entered in MNC - this certification itself is a prooof of your coding standard....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and any certification = particular standard knowledge...!!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;MNC companies like TCS, L &#38; T infotech, Wipro always prefer certified programmers and this is the fact.. yeah, small companies hire normal programmers as the payscale of certified programmer is higher - hope you're getting my point.....!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>certifications are very necessary&#8230; as one who doesnt get certified can write a program very well&#8230;. but that person won&#8217;t ever understand or xplain to others how that program behaves&#8230;</p>
<p>getting certified is the main benefit for getting entered in MNC - this certification itself is a prooof of your coding standard&#8230;.</p>
<p>and any certification = particular standard knowledge&#8230;!!!</p>
<p>MNC companies like TCS, L &amp; T infotech, Wipro always prefer certified programmers and this is the fact.. yeah, small companies hire normal programmers as the payscale of certified programmer is higher - hope you&#8217;re getting my point&#8230;..!</p>
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		<title>By: yogesh</title>
		<link>http://madbean.com/2003/mb2003-52/#comment-48009</link>
		<dc:creator>yogesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In my opinion, these certifications are a way to ascertain your self about being a good java programmer and nothing else 
as these certification programs just check the logical behaviour of the codes and the way in which the JVM would compile these codes. These certifications donot increase your knowledge about java language as a whole.
Thus I would say that if one wants to chage his field of expertise , and of course to be judged better as a programmer, certifications are helpful. 
well, i would like to know about how to prepare for the SCJP exam and how much time is required for the same.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, these certifications are a way to ascertain your self about being a good java programmer and nothing else<br />
as these certification programs just check the logical behaviour of the codes and the way in which the JVM would compile these codes. These certifications donot increase your knowledge about java language as a whole.<br />
Thus I would say that if one wants to chage his field of expertise , and of course to be judged better as a programmer, certifications are helpful.<br />
well, i would like to know about how to prepare for the SCJP exam and how much time is required for the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi Dasika</title>
		<link>http://madbean.com/2003/mb2003-52/#comment-42766</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Dasika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A recent study suggests that 25% software  companies in USA were looking for certified candidates. It takes more than a month time to prepare throughly, and get the basics right. If one gets a score of more than 85%  it reflects that he/she knows fundas in that topic well. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In my opinion certification is an addon if one is switching a job .&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It makes your java knowledge more accurate &#38; gives u an insight on the fundamental behaviour of JVM.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent study suggests that 25% software  companies in USA were looking for certified candidates. It takes more than a month time to prepare throughly, and get the basics right. If one gets a score of more than 85%  it reflects that he/she knows fundas in that topic well. </p>
<p>In my opinion certification is an addon if one is switching a job .</p>
<p>It makes your java knowledge more accurate &amp; gives u an insight on the fundamental behaviour of JVM.</p>
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		<title>By: sangeet Gangishetty</title>
		<link>http://madbean.com/2003/mb2003-52/#comment-36049</link>
		<dc:creator>sangeet Gangishetty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In my point of view certification has its own worth. Developrs may code bundles of programs, it doesnot mean that 
they r worthful, becoz a developer is a good programmer only if he develops a code without bugs &#38; errors.
In such cases certified programmers plays a major role, since they undergo rigourous  preperation rathar than writing code they debug the code hence becomes perfect an builds grip on that code or program. Certification should be give maximum importance &#38; weightage. 
It even helps us in the interviews also in getting job, there are some clients who specifically looks for certified programmers only. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My request is to take up certification and be the one among worthful guys.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Note: CODING IS NOT IMPORTANT, ITS A PART ONLY. DEBUG IS IMPORTANT, IT COVERS ALL AREAS.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my point of view certification has its own worth. Developrs may code bundles of programs, it doesnot mean that<br />
they r worthful, becoz a developer is a good programmer only if he develops a code without bugs &amp; errors.<br />
In such cases certified programmers plays a major role, since they undergo rigourous  preperation rathar than writing code they debug the code hence becomes perfect an builds grip on that code or program. Certification should be give maximum importance &amp; weightage.<br />
It even helps us in the interviews also in getting job, there are some clients who specifically looks for certified programmers only. </p>
<p>My request is to take up certification and be the one among worthful guys.</p>
<p>Note: CODING IS NOT IMPORTANT, ITS A PART ONLY. DEBUG IS IMPORTANT, IT COVERS ALL AREAS.</p>
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		<title>By: Arul</title>
		<link>http://madbean.com/2003/mb2003-52/#comment-34914</link>
		<dc:creator>Arul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I could not agree more with your view.  I had  to choose 4 years ago between getting a certification and learning J2EE and emerging popular frameworks like
Struts etc. I opted for the latter and it worked out very well for me. I believe more in practical knowledge and skills as opposed to academic knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not agree more with your view.  I had  to choose 4 years ago between getting a certification and learning J2EE and emerging popular frameworks like<br />
Struts etc. I opted for the latter and it worked out very well for me. I believe more in practical knowledge and skills as opposed to academic knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I see them as a way to learn the technology. I am that kind of person who wouldn't go for anything unless I know for sure that I am gonna receive I omeI am gonna receive something after the effort. Anyways, I can tell u that my first java certification helped me get a job at the world's ;argest enterprise software company.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see them as a way to learn the technology. I am that kind of person who wouldn&#8217;t go for anything unless I know for sure that I am gonna receive I omeI am gonna receive something after the effort. Anyways, I can tell u that my first java certification helped me get a job at the world&#8217;s ;argest enterprise software company.</p>
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		<title>By: Sitarlo</title>
		<link>http://madbean.com/2003/mb2003-52/#comment-491</link>
		<dc:creator>Sitarlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just took and passed the SCJP 1.5 exam and my opinion is that without at least a month of study most "experienced" Java programmers would fail. 
The exam is very difficult with most questions being related to generics, threads, and obscure "what will the compiler or JVM do" questions.  As somebody 
who hires Java developers, I will interview anyone with the 1.5 cert and some real world experience.  Even before someone with a CS degree.  Actually,
many of the CS degree holding people I've interviewed in the past few years have been either incompetent morons, or ubercoders who wouldn't function
well in a corporate environment.  That whole &lt;em&gt;slacker genious&lt;/em&gt; thing is so 1997.  Get certified.  It can't hurt.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just took and passed the SCJP 1.5 exam and my opinion is that without at least a month of study most &#8220;experienced&#8221; Java programmers would fail.<br />
The exam is very difficult with most questions being related to generics, threads, and obscure &#8220;what will the compiler or JVM do&#8221; questions.  As somebody<br />
who hires Java developers, I will interview anyone with the 1.5 cert and some real world experience.  Even before someone with a CS degree.  Actually,<br />
many of the CS degree holding people I&#8217;ve interviewed in the past few years have been either incompetent morons, or ubercoders who wouldn&#8217;t function<br />
well in a corporate environment.  That whole <em>slacker genious</em> thing is so 1997.  Get certified.  It can&#8217;t hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Suresh</title>
		<link>http://madbean.com/2003/mb2003-52/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>Suresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ok in my point of view ,certification can help you for 50% in jobs. The main goal in passing 
certification is to find the errors, and performance problem in your application programs.
as my pal told that  there are many good java developers in his concern ,that are not java certified.
yes, can be good in writing tons and tons of code with good logic .but when an error or bugs occurs 
they will search like a pencil in sea.they are not good in spotting out in errors.(what is causing the problem).
if ask Sun certified he willl clearly spot out.coz he knows what will be a
(default value,or accesing null values) causing an error etcc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok in my point of view ,certification can help you for 50% in jobs. The main goal in passing<br />
certification is to find the errors, and performance problem in your application programs.<br />
as my pal told that  there are many good java developers in his concern ,that are not java certified.<br />
yes, can be good in writing tons and tons of code with good logic .but when an error or bugs occurs<br />
they will search like a pencil in sea.they are not good in spotting out in errors.(what is causing the problem).<br />
if ask Sun certified he willl clearly spot out.coz he knows what will be a<br />
(default value,or accesing null values) causing an error etcc.</p>
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